What you describe here is alien to what I observed in China. I am suggesting that the forces driving these campaigns for vaccination are not necessarily Chinese, and that Chinese are the victims. I also think there is reason to believe that the vaccines in China are less dangerous than in Europe or Japan. But there is no doubt that access is restricted for those who do not have vaccinated status--whether that means actual vaccination or not is another matter. Many working class people suffer.
The whole of the 3d war with ionising of the atmosphere is important. They are all trying to compete and appear to all be throwing their populations under the bus. I do thank you for your perspective on this. There are factions fighting within factions in all of these countries. We will win this. Even the most powerful and rich know they too will be sacrificed if the predators so wish to make it happen.
The debate over the future of China, represented here by Roberts and Pastreich, is not new, because, lacking hard evidence, there is considerable basis nonetheless for both sides. It began with the Nixon/Rockefeller/Kissinger opening to China, which benefited both China and Western transnational capital, but also carried risks for China of the Western financial and IT penetration that Pastreich describes. His description is plausible because it represents a process/playbook of Western imperial dominance that has occurred many times, updated in recent years with Information Technology. The same conflict is happening in Russia and other major global actors, like Iran and India. So, I think the debate is far from over, and that this exchange is therefore welcome. The risk is to take a hard line, for example Pepe Escobar's articles, in which the internal problems of actors in the emerging multipolar world are ignored, and Russia and China can do no wrong.
What a great and lively discussion. I appreciate your outline of the two opposing viewpoints in the article. I have noticed this too, and spend a good chunk of my 'background processing' trying to see the truth of the world before us. I had an office in Guangdong province from 2016 to 2018, and currently have several business associates still in the Shenzhen and Shanghai areas. I can relay without a doubt that forced quarantines are still real, daily PCR tests did happen, and that restriction of movement 'forced' many people into taking the vaccine. Many people fed themselves by organizing Wechat groups within their condo-complexes, so that vaccinated food-shop delivery people could enter their barred-and-guarded buildings. They were not allowed to leave. Mandatory 10 or 14 day restriction for a positive test, which we all know are about 50% wonky anyway. Wide variation of procedures depending on region.
Note that Sinovac was NOT mRNA...although i still wouldn't inject into my body, at least what the Chinese govt. / pharma produced was based on 'normal' vaccine methods. Also notable, a colleague in Shanghai who is currently restricted to her condo and suffering from Covid, is being given Paracetomol, and told by her doctor that Covid is just "a type of Flu." My belief is that this change of messaging is the govt. response to keeping the peace. Whether they didn't know until now, or had some other agenda, is difficult for me to speculate.
There is arguably some truth to the overall analogy. However, a number of details are false, and in particular this statement which colors much of the article:
"The dystopian world that Whitehead describes in China, is beyond dispute."
Perhaps not in your part of the world, but that's only because there is no apparent interest in the Chinese reality. Instead, the China projection is based on random videos posted to Twitter plus an endless series of smears and lies in the official media. The truth: That dystopia is ~90% projection targeting Westerners, not Chinese.
Just to cite one detail you mention: Not only is vaccination not obligatory in China, China is the only industrialized country where it is actually illegal to coerce someone through whatever means into agreeing to vaccination.
For those interested to hear a Chinese perspective, we did a few deep dives on this topic last year:
Very interesting take, thank you. It's so difficult to get these kinds of deeper insights into Asian politics without having to deal with one of the two camps of biases you mentioned. I really appreciate your perspective, please keep going.
I agree that the current Pfizer campaign resembles the Opium wars, but you then present sensational allegations about Western infiltration into Chinese governance without a shred of evidence.
What are your sources for your claim that, "China is subject to a massive campaign to destroy governance and to create a docile population subject to the whims of faceless powers who hide behind online systems masquerading as “government.” But that “communist government” turns out to be, if you scratch the surface, private contractors, Israeli, Japanese, American and other IT and intelligence firms, who have set up shop across China at the local level and are seizing control of government by privatizing all functions of government, using COVID-19 as the wedge to force everything online"?
This blather is transparent fiction as to his allegations about modern times. The author has no names, dates, or places to offer to even try to substantiate anything he alleges.
14 JUL 2019 . . . Dr. Xiangguo Qiu, her husband, students escorted out of Canadian Level 4 lab in Winnipeg, removal of unauthorized material from Winnipeg to China, group involved in setting up Level 4 lab in Wuhan . . .
Dear Gayle..Your wise words are appreciated. In this new political reality we cannot make any progress until we are ready to sacrifice everything.
What you describe here is alien to what I observed in China. I am suggesting that the forces driving these campaigns for vaccination are not necessarily Chinese, and that Chinese are the victims. I also think there is reason to believe that the vaccines in China are less dangerous than in Europe or Japan. But there is no doubt that access is restricted for those who do not have vaccinated status--whether that means actual vaccination or not is another matter. Many working class people suffer.
Excellent view on seeing this as the Third Opium War! Super information on a subject I have been confused by.
Great analysis!
The whole of the 3d war with ionising of the atmosphere is important. They are all trying to compete and appear to all be throwing their populations under the bus. I do thank you for your perspective on this. There are factions fighting within factions in all of these countries. We will win this. Even the most powerful and rich know they too will be sacrificed if the predators so wish to make it happen.
The debate over the future of China, represented here by Roberts and Pastreich, is not new, because, lacking hard evidence, there is considerable basis nonetheless for both sides. It began with the Nixon/Rockefeller/Kissinger opening to China, which benefited both China and Western transnational capital, but also carried risks for China of the Western financial and IT penetration that Pastreich describes. His description is plausible because it represents a process/playbook of Western imperial dominance that has occurred many times, updated in recent years with Information Technology. The same conflict is happening in Russia and other major global actors, like Iran and India. So, I think the debate is far from over, and that this exchange is therefore welcome. The risk is to take a hard line, for example Pepe Escobar's articles, in which the internal problems of actors in the emerging multipolar world are ignored, and Russia and China can do no wrong.
What a great and lively discussion. I appreciate your outline of the two opposing viewpoints in the article. I have noticed this too, and spend a good chunk of my 'background processing' trying to see the truth of the world before us. I had an office in Guangdong province from 2016 to 2018, and currently have several business associates still in the Shenzhen and Shanghai areas. I can relay without a doubt that forced quarantines are still real, daily PCR tests did happen, and that restriction of movement 'forced' many people into taking the vaccine. Many people fed themselves by organizing Wechat groups within their condo-complexes, so that vaccinated food-shop delivery people could enter their barred-and-guarded buildings. They were not allowed to leave. Mandatory 10 or 14 day restriction for a positive test, which we all know are about 50% wonky anyway. Wide variation of procedures depending on region.
Note that Sinovac was NOT mRNA...although i still wouldn't inject into my body, at least what the Chinese govt. / pharma produced was based on 'normal' vaccine methods. Also notable, a colleague in Shanghai who is currently restricted to her condo and suffering from Covid, is being given Paracetomol, and told by her doctor that Covid is just "a type of Flu." My belief is that this change of messaging is the govt. response to keeping the peace. Whether they didn't know until now, or had some other agenda, is difficult for me to speculate.
There is arguably some truth to the overall analogy. However, a number of details are false, and in particular this statement which colors much of the article:
"The dystopian world that Whitehead describes in China, is beyond dispute."
Perhaps not in your part of the world, but that's only because there is no apparent interest in the Chinese reality. Instead, the China projection is based on random videos posted to Twitter plus an endless series of smears and lies in the official media. The truth: That dystopia is ~90% projection targeting Westerners, not Chinese.
Just to cite one detail you mention: Not only is vaccination not obligatory in China, China is the only industrialized country where it is actually illegal to coerce someone through whatever means into agreeing to vaccination.
For those interested to hear a Chinese perspective, we did a few deep dives on this topic last year:
https://austrianchina.substack.com/p/china-dystopia-psyop
And here: https://austrianchina.substack.com/p/china-dystopia-psyop-part2
Very interesting take, thank you. It's so difficult to get these kinds of deeper insights into Asian politics without having to deal with one of the two camps of biases you mentioned. I really appreciate your perspective, please keep going.
I agree that the current Pfizer campaign resembles the Opium wars, but you then present sensational allegations about Western infiltration into Chinese governance without a shred of evidence.
What are your sources for your claim that, "China is subject to a massive campaign to destroy governance and to create a docile population subject to the whims of faceless powers who hide behind online systems masquerading as “government.” But that “communist government” turns out to be, if you scratch the surface, private contractors, Israeli, Japanese, American and other IT and intelligence firms, who have set up shop across China at the local level and are seizing control of government by privatizing all functions of government, using COVID-19 as the wedge to force everything online"?
As far as I can see, that's simply not happening.
This blather is transparent fiction as to his allegations about modern times. The author has no names, dates, or places to offer to even try to substantiate anything he alleges.
14 JUL 2019 . . . Dr. Xiangguo Qiu, her husband, students escorted out of Canadian Level 4 lab in Winnipeg, removal of unauthorized material from Winnipeg to China, group involved in setting up Level 4 lab in Wuhan . . .
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/chinese-researcher-escorted-from-infectious-disease-lab-amid-rcmp-investigation-1.5211567